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10262017 Members Call

October 26 Conference Call

Conference Call Line Information

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Enter the passcode: 407326

Attending: Michael Cook (Cornell), Kelly Trei (UIUC), Doug Holland (MOBOT), GBIF, Connie Rinaldo (MCZ), David Iggulden (Kew), Graham Higley (EOL), Jane Smith (NHM London), Susan Fraser (NYBG), Judy (Botany), Tom (AMNH), Barbara Ferry (SIL), Carolyn Sheffield (BHL)

Regrets: Martin R. Kalfatovic, Christine Giannoni

AGENDA and NOTES


On Tuesday afternoon, SIL staff discovered that IA had been blocked on Smithsonian networks and BHL also experienced some issues with the PDF generator at that time. The block was first noticed on the main SI network which is the primary network used by Smithsonian staff. That block was quickly lifted the same day and the associated PDF generation issues, described below, seemed to resolve at the same time. The next morning (10/25) we discovered IA was still blocked on another network, one primarily used by guests. Smithsonian IT has been notified and we hope to have that lifted soon as well; BHL does not receive heavy traffic from that network but we are still working to get that lifted quickly.
In terms of the PDF generation issues that co-occurred with the IA blocks, Mike identified some sluggishness and a higher error rate, up from .003 to .3%, so still under 1% but higher than normal. That appeared to resolve with the lift of the first block but did recur the next morning so there may still be ongoing issues; Joel is returning from DLF today and will be monitoring the situation with SI IT.


Discussion
In essennce, this is exploring the option of providng access to content published between 1923 and 1941, so long as it is not currently on the market. This might require a wider discussion, perhaps at the annual meeting. Martin has checked w SI OGC, and they feel there is a strong legal framework to move in this direction. So we all might want to explore what our respective institutions what comfort would be with that level of risk. It presents a very exciting possibility.

This would be for items that are no longer on the market from the author or publisher or whoever has the rights. Second hand would not be considered on market. Some due diligence that needs to be done. Wondering what kind of guidance we would want to give to Members. Perhaps best places to look, with clarity that it may not be 100% certain but identifying acceptable level of risk. Many of us have done orphan works research.

Elsewhere in the world, parameters might be different. In UK, there might be a push do this as well but might need to be approached in terms of a broad license agreement for example. Guidance on what is and isn’t possible, and what they might need to check.
Should we form a working group?
Jane would be happy to work with others on this.
Barbara and Martin, between them, can probably also be part of this group.

Harvard tends to be more conservative. Kyle Courtney (Harvard) was recently at IA, though, so hoping that might prompt some guidance from internal office.

First step might be we all gather our own guidance and look to other groups like ALA to see what is being put out by the profession in terms of guidance.

What if someone else scanned and it’s in IA, is it ok for us to ingest and making it available? If it’s in IA, wouldn't it already come through via ingest process? Wonder about places like Michigan that scanned everything through Google but it’s currently blocked, wonder if they will start making it available.

It’s also about stating to the world at large our position on this. Would be worthwhile to make our view(s) explicit on wiki, i.e., being respectful of copyright while working to achieve as much as digitization as possible.

Action – All, find out institutional guidance and what level of risks institutions are willing to bear. Then if Jane and Barbara can come up with some guidance for complying with the parameters.


Jackie Chapman attended the webinar. Link to recorded webinar on HathiTrust’s discussion of proposal to maintain for 25 years of monographs scanned. Limit of 25 years is not a rolling limit. ILL provision – not only keep but make available for loan for other members.
Hoping BHL can have a wider discussion about what all of the scanning institutions’ retention policies are. SIL policy is to retain indefinitely.
Discussion page

This could be a Birds of a Feather topic for the annual meeting



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